{"id":26,"date":"2000-08-14T23:17:15","date_gmt":"2000-08-14T21:17:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.pinostrano.it\/blog\/?p=26"},"modified":"2008-03-01T23:22:55","modified_gmt":"2008-03-01T21:22:55","slug":"protection-of-minority-rights","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pinostrano.it\/blog\/protection-of-minority-rights\/","title":{"rendered":"Protection of minority rights.(?)(**)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Dear all, (SFMPE)*<\/p>\n<p>I see all this looking for ways to surely protect minority rights,<br \/>\nfundamentally without sense. Why? Because that problem have not a<br \/>\nspecial solution.<\/p>\n<p>Understand me: I believe the minorities rights have to be protect; I&#8217;m a<br \/>\nfervent supporter of the Voltaire&#8217;s ideas. &#8220;I disagree with you, but<br \/>\nI&#8217;ll give my life so that you could express it&#8221;. But I think that<br \/>\n&#8220;protection&#8221; cannot result from any law, court, constitution o other<br \/>\nsimilar instruments. It can be resulting from existence of true<br \/>\ndemocratic citizens majority only.<br \/>\nCan we be *sure* that majority of people will always protect the<br \/>\nminority rights? No. But any different &#8220;solution&#8221; is worse than the bad.<\/p>\n<p>I saw somebody, f.i. Kevin, propose general rules (fundamental<br \/>\nsafeguards) to protect minority and a Court to decide about the<br \/>\ncontravaentions. He wrote:<\/p>\n<p>&gt; A proposed law which appears to contravene such<br \/>\n&gt; fundamental rights would not be registered. A declaration from the court<br \/>\n&gt; could be obtained as to whether these fundamental safeguards were to be<br \/>\n&gt; contravaened or not.<\/p>\n<p>Kevin,<br \/>\nthat you presented is the normal current way to &#8220;protect&#8221; minorities.<br \/>\nYou said that works fine until now. Right. At least, it&#8217;s true enough.<\/p>\n<p>But if we give a closer look at it, we can see the &lt;<br \/>\nproblem&gt; of the<br \/>\nmajority dictatorship isn&#8217;t *solved* but only *moved*.<\/p>\n<p>Moved from direct judgement of citizens to a restrict number of members<br \/>\nof a Court. I see this like a shrink of direct democracy. It seems to me<br \/>\nthat You said: we can&#8217;t have always confiance in judgement of people,<br \/>\nthen let those matters in better hands, the hands of few wisdom man.<br \/>\nBut who assures us on real Court&#8217;s wisdom? Nobody can do it.<br \/>\nAnd who choices the members of the Court? In direct democracy is the<br \/>\npeople.<br \/>\nWhat about big mistakes of this court? can the people change her<br \/>\ndecision? And if he can do it, why the people can&#8217;t decide directly? And<br \/>\nwho decides when this Court is wrong?<br \/>\nWell, then this &#8220;solution&#8221; is a &#8220;Representative&#8221; solution, with all the<br \/>\ndefects of DR solutions.<\/p>\n<p>I prefer the people decides directly on important and general issue like<br \/>\nminorities rights. Without any &#8220;court&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>I hear yet voices saying: &#8220;we must choice Court&#8217;s members by<br \/>\nsortition!&#8221;. I answear these voices that sortition don&#8217;t eliminate<br \/>\ncorruption at all. Every men can be corrupted after the sortition. And<br \/>\n&#8230; what about some members are mad ones? The voices say: but we&#8217;ll<br \/>\ncoice between a group of experts! And who decides when a normal citizen<br \/>\nis an &#8220;expert&#8221;? Answear: the people.<br \/>\nWhat about if these members make big mistakes? And even who decide when<br \/>\na member become mad or corrupted or show own incapacity? What if the<br \/>\ncourt makes mistakes? You must always come back to the decision of the<br \/>\npeople.<br \/>\nYou have only moved the problem, probabily making worse the problem.<\/p>\n<p>I saw somebody other propose supermajority or veto(Aki Orr and al.).<br \/>\nIt&#8217;s a sham solution. When you propose a 66% supermajority or even 99%<br \/>\nsupermajority you don&#8217;t solve the problem.<br \/>\nWhat about the rest 33% or even 1%? Maybe a minority of 1% don&#8217;t have<br \/>\nrights? And in this way you go from the risk of dictatureship of<br \/>\nmajority to the risk of minority dictatureship. It&#8217;s better?<\/p>\n<p>Aki said &#8220;The right of veto is not dictatureship&#8221;.<br \/>\nDear Aki, veto can esaily become dictatureship. If a minority wants a<br \/>\nspecial law for itself, it suffices that it menaces vetoes on every<br \/>\ndecision, and then, if the majority don&#8217;t want rest paralized, it is<br \/>\nforced to yeld.<br \/>\nYou could said: the veto effects only decisions about minority. And I<br \/>\nasks you: who decide *when* a decision effects the minorities rights?<br \/>\nWe haven&#8217;t choice. If we don&#8217;t want a possible minority dictatureship,<br \/>\nwe must risk a possible majority dictatureship.<\/p>\n<p>And at last (but not least, it goes without saying) the fashinating<br \/>\ndefinitions of my friend Antonio Rossin.<br \/>\nHe stated:<\/p>\n<p>| No decision or policy addressing a well-defined target<br \/>\n| can be admissed to votation without that target&#8217;s direct<br \/>\n| asking for &#8221;<\/p>\n<p>and<\/p>\n<p>| &#8220;no minority&#8217;s rights can be the subject of a democratic<br \/>\n| Law (which might turn itself into the dictatorship of the<br \/>\n| majority) unless that minority had asked for.<\/p>\n<p>My dear friend, as you have yet saw, there is not agreement on what is<br \/>\nthe target. About the abortion f.e., you say the target is the feto,<br \/>\nOtto say the target is the mother&#8230; and then?<\/p>\n<p>One more time you should have to come back to the people asking: who is<br \/>\nthe target? (And, I&#8217;m sure, someone will say the father! or the family!<br \/>\nor all society, &#8216;cause the cost belongs to all citizens, and so on&#8230;)<br \/>\nThe same about when a &#8220;subject of a democratic Law&#8221; is a minority. Who<br \/>\ndecides? A Court? (See above). If you want be a DD you have to directly<br \/>\nask the people, then always the majority decides.<\/p>\n<p>In conclusion I see all these (vains) efforts as a fruit of fear. Fear<br \/>\nthat the people can keep wrong and bad decisions. It is a realistic<br \/>\nfear. But if we want be direct democratics we are forced to accept it.<\/p>\n<p>We must establish only the general principle that the minorities must<br \/>\nhave grant the same general rigths than the majority. But this<br \/>\nprinciples will must be assured only by the majority. As well as for all<br \/>\nother dd principles and rules!!<\/p>\n<p>Democracy is a risk. The risk that the decision, that we believe the<br \/>\nright decision, lose. If we don&#8217;t accept this risk we aren&#8217;t<br \/>\ndemocratics. Even less, direct democratics. Every attempt to limit this<br \/>\nrisk is a more o less little lack of democracy.<\/p>\n<p>The people have the right to be wrong by its own hands.<\/p>\n<p>Maybe can democracy kill itsself? Yes. In this unfortunate case I&#8217;ll<br \/>\nfight with other means.<\/p>\n<p>The only remedial is: fighting to have more flexible, aware and fully dd<br \/>\nmind-oriented citizens.<\/p>\n<p>That is one of our two hard aims. The other, it goes without saying, is<br \/>\nto conquer a fully dd institutional system.<\/p>\n<p>CorDDialita&#8217;,<br \/>\nPino Strano.<\/p>\n<p>(*) Sorry For My Poor English. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>(**)Tratto da un post scritto sulla mailing list cicdd nell&#8217;agosto 2000<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dear all, (SFMPE)* I see all this looking for ways to surely protect minority rights, fundamentally without sense. Why? Because that problem have not a special solution. 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